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Holy Wars

posted Monday, 7 November 2005
Well, I’ve run into a blog by a certain “cranky neocon” and had a few conversations with other neoconservatives, so I have to address a couple of the hot buttons pressed today.

First, I can’t blame poor “cranky neocon” for being cranky. Events keep stripping the veneer off that movement, and it’s not looking so great underneath. He challenged his blog readers to read an article on wikipedia about Iraq pre-war intelligence and said that anyone with an open mind could see how justified the war was. Hmmm… The article I found by following his instructions said some of the following:

“Although scattered remnants of Iraq's WMD stockpiles from the time of the 1991 Gulf War were found, the ISG's final report concluded that at the time of the invasion Iraq did not possess significant WMD capabilties.”

“Subsequent conclusions fault the intelligence community for failing to adequately explain to policymakers the uncertainties that underlay the NIE's conclusions, and for succumbing to "group think," in which the intelligence community adopted untested (and, in hindsight, unwarranted) assumptions about the extent of Iraq's WMD stockpiles and programs.”

“One area where the Committee found that the intelligence community's reporting accurately reflected the underlying intelligence concerned Iraq's retention of Scud-type ballistic missiles, and its development of new types of short- and medium-range missiles. In the case of the NIE's reporting on Iraq's development of an unmanned aerial vehicle (UAV), however, the Committee found that the reporting generally was not well-supported by the underlying intelligence, and overstated what was known concerning the likelihood that the Iraqi UAVs were intended for use as a delivery means for biological weapons.”

“There was no evidence proving Iraqi complicity or assistance in an al Qaeda attack. The report criticized the CIA for its lack of human intelligence resources in Iraq to assess the country's ties with terrorism during the time prior to 2002.”

I’m not too sure what his point was. Maybe he was referring to another article further down the list. If that’s the case, what makes that article better than this one? There’s the rub. Naturally, when we find a publication that supports our views, we want to believe it, but that doesn’t automatically make it credible. Maybe it is, maybe it isn’t. The trick is to figure out what the preponderance of the evidence says.

For goodness sake, even Bush doesn’t pretend this war is about WMD’s or al Qaeda anymore. He knows he looks foolish talking about those things. (Hint: that means that anyone else who cites these reasons looks a little thick himself.) Now, it’s all about liberating the Iraqis from their oppressors and creating a stable democracy. It’s going just swimmingly, too. Every bit as well as it did when the Brits tried to do it early in the 20th century.

On another topic entirely, but one dear to those sweet neocons’ hearts: Intelligent Design is on its way to a science classroom near you. Apparently a few people have figured out that they look silly insisting that they don’t believe in science. Now, they think they’ve come up with a way of saying they don’t believe in science without looking silly. I’m sorry. That’s just not possible. For pity’s sake, people—religion and science are not mutually exclusive. God did not have to create the earth by any supernatural means in order to exist. God can exist even if perfectly natural forces were responsible for pulling off the whole she-bang. Life can have meaning regardless of how it originated. You don’t see scientists running around saying that they don’t believe in spiritual values like compassion and mercy, and if they did, they’d look silly, too.

Silly people!




1. brian gaines left...
Monday, 7 November 2005 2:23 pm

Ms. Paula you evidently missed the point, as most lib's do. It's not about the pre war intelligence. That was the point of my blog and link. It's about whats's going on there now. It is with out a doubt a hard row to hoe in Iraq, but we can win this conflict if you and yours see the light. It's not all about the WMD's never was. Why don't you and your kind see that? However I'll tell you what, when you are fighting for your life during the next attack we'll be there to help you as always W/2


2. The Mad Optimist left...
Tuesday, 8 November 2005 5:23 am :: http://www.madoptimist.blog-city.com

What an absolute breath of fresh air! I am so glad a thinking conservative has managed to enter the debate with Mr. Gaines, the "Cranky Neocon". If you go through his archives, I'm sure you will run accross the many heated discussions we have had.

While I know it is unfortunate that neither of us, nor anybody else who does not refer to him or herself as a neocon, will ever really break through, I tend to want to keep on trying. Don't get me wrong, I am sure that you and I shall hold the most major of differences in basic ideology, but as long as two people (or more) can dissagree, both offering sources and background to the basis of their arguments, a great debate therefore will be had.

Maybe you will have better luck with Mr. Gaines. For some reason I have this feeling that he is not really that brainwashed, but that he desperately wants to feel a part of a genuine socio-political movement. I say, good for him. Just not the neocon movement. I am a member of a much different movement, the social democrat movement, so I fare much worse in trying to critically argue with Brian.

Good luck.

-The Mad Optimist


3. --W-- left...
Wednesday, 9 November 2005 1:11 pm :: http://confessionsofalibertine.blog-city

I have no problem with the idea that if a higher power, a "God", exists, that he/she/it could have set evolution in motion.


4. Paula Reed left...
Wednesday, 9 November 2005 1:28 pm

I don't have a problem with a God that set evolution in motion, either, though I find it hard to conceive of a sentient diety. I had assumed that was the premise of "intelligent design." Since then, I've looked a bit further. It insists that some complex life forms were set on earth in their current form. Creationism.


5. --W-- left...
Wednesday, 9 November 2005 1:59 pm :: http://confessionsofalibertine.blog-city

I'm an agnostic, so I've not shut the door on either possibility, though I'm in serious doubt of the existence of a sentient deity.